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Ewen McKenzie and Steve Hansen on Joe Schmidt's Wallabies Tenure - Australia v Italy
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Australia finished Joe Schmidt’s reign with a strong win over Italy, but the bigger conversation quickly becomes what his time in charge will actually be remembered for. David Pembroke, Ewen McKenzie and Steve Hansen break down the Wallabies’ direct, powerful performance in Perth, why Italy looked tired and flat after a long tour, and what Josh Canham’s rise says about selection and timing in Australian rugby. From there, the discussion widens into a full assessment of Schmidt’s 38 per cent win record, whether the Wallabies should be judged only on results, and the deeper structural problems around Australian rugby’s development pathways, Super Rugby depth and the long-term challenge of producing players and teams who truly expect to win.
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In this episode:
00:00 🦘 Wallabies beat Italy and send Joe Schmidt out with a win
02:00 💪 Canham, the maul and why Australia’s power game worked so well
04:00 🏟️ Perth crowd, stadium choice and the HBF v Optus debate
05:00 📉 Joe Schmidt’s 38 per cent record and the brutal wins-losses question
07:00 🎯 Great moments were there, but consistency never truly arrived
09:00 🧱 Steve Hansen’s bigger-picture defence of Schmidt’s tenure
11:00 🏉 Super Rugby, depth and why Australia’s pathway is still broken
13:00 🧠 Winning as a habit and why under-20 results matter so much
16:00 🌍 Why a stronger Australia matters for New Zealand and world rugby
18:00 🔥 The Wallabies who had to fight hardest are now standing up
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